I love the Djarum Black Cherry and the Bali Hai. The Black vanilla is also good but I prefer the other two. I was hoping these would be similar with less of the clove but they came up very short of my expectations. The draw on these is terrible. They are packed way to tightly. The flavor is ok and gets better as you get closer to the filter but its not nearly as strong/satisfying as I was hoping for. The body is much lighter than the Djarum yet the smoke is more harsh. The one good thing about these is everything about them is as sexy as it gets; the metal cases the black filters, they just pop like no other. I had to give the draw and construction 10s because they are simply packed far to tightly. Im going to let a pack hang out in my humidor for a month or two and see if they get any better.