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2017 CA Report: Essential Romeo y Julieta Cigars Review & Tasting Guide

Cigar Advisor's Essential Romeo y Julieta Cigars Review & Tasting Guide

By the Cigar Advisor Staff

Romeo y Julieta cigars have been celebrated as one of the first names in premium cigars, both Cuban and otherwise, on heritage alone. Launched in 1875 and named for the leads in Shakespeare’s epic tragedy, Romeo and Juliet went on to win a slew of tasting awards at worldwide cigar exhibitions within just a few years of their debut.

It’s also the makers of the original Cuban Romeos who coined the term “Churchill cigar” – nicknaming their Julieta No. 2 (7” x 47RG) after the cigar-loving British PM, who visited the island in 1946.

Today, there are nearly 2 dozen shapes and sizes of Cuban Romeo y Julieta cigars offered; that’s the distinction between those and the RyJs available here in the States, where the non-Cuban Romeos have expanded into eleven distinct lines under the main Romeo brand. They’ve outgrown their reputation as only making mild cigars – now, each of these Romeo y Julieta cigars has something different to offer, being tailored to the tastes and demands of cigar smokers who prefer a range of options from mild (like the 1875 and RyJ Capulet) to the full-bodied (including Romeo Aging Room and Romeo 505 Nicaragua).

With the blenders of RyJ cigars expressing a wider range of creativity and flavors, the Cigar Advisor editors thought it was time to give you a top-to-bottom rundown of all the Romeo y Julieta cigars you can choose from – recognize their differences, and even get a fresh look at some of the newer Romeos you haven’t yet had the pleasure to try. So with the spirit of experimentation in mind, we present our Essential Romeo y Julieta Cigars Tasting Guide, with full reviews and notes included.


Romeo y Julieta 1875 Cigar Review

By Fred Lunt

Country of Origin: Dominican Republic

Size:  Bully 5 x 50

Strength:  Mild-Medium

Wrapper: Indonesian TBN (Shade Grown)

Filler: Dominican

Binder: Dominican

buy romeo y julieta cigars 1875Construction and Overall Appearance: Almost green, very rustic and veiny. Nice weight and feel for the 5 x 50 Bully. I put a small crack in the wrapper by accident, hopefully no burn issues will come of it

Draw: Smooth as butter.

Pre-light flavor: Barnyard, hay, and earth.

Toasting & Light: Toasty with a light peppery tang and a subtle nutty sweetness.

Base flavors: Cedar wood, pepper, tanginess, leather, toast.

Retrohale: Toast, pepper.

Aroma: Sweet and woody.

Burn / Ash Quality: Ash is very tight, pure white, with a clean burn line. Around 2/3 the burn line gets wonky so a quick touch up is needed.

General Observations:

After the initial puffs fade out, the 1875 leaves me with flavors of tanginess and wood.

A very savory smoke that starts medium-bodied. As it opens up a bit more the tangy pepper intensifies a bit, while the wood notes linger and a slight metallic taste appear. Around the second third a pleasant leatheriness comes into play with a tangy sweetness and cedar wood.

At 2/3 mark the flavors come in clear and distinct: cedar wood, leather, toast, black pepper and a tangy sweetness.

Extremely smooth and creamy smoke.

Around the last third the pepper and spice comes to the forefront with creamy smoke and a more leathery component. While flavors intensify, this cigar remains a nice mellow smoke.


While I’m not well-versed on Indonesian tobacco, I have to say RyJ’s 1875 was one heck of an intro. While I accidentally put a small crack in the wrapper, the construction was perfect overall, having nice weight and feel with a veiny, rustic looking shade grown wrapper. With pre-light flavors similar to barnyard, hay, and earth I gave this premium a generous toasting with a triple flame lighter. A pepper tang kicked things off with a woody sweetness in the background. After the initial puffs fade out the 1875 leaves me with flavors of tanginess and wood.

I was surprised to find this a very savory smoke that starts medium-bodied. As it opened up a bit more, the tangy pepper intensified while woods lingered on and a slight metallic taste chimed in for a minute.

By the second third everything was coming in clear and distinct, cedar wood, a pleasant leatheriness, toast, and black pepper made for a very tangy-sweet smoke that grew smoother through time with healthy doses of creamy smoke.

While the crack didn’t seem to affect the burn line (only one case of canoeing), I did need to touch up this cigar twice as it struggled to stay lit.

Towards my favorite part of this smoke, the last third, the pepper and spice comes to the forefront with creamy smoke and more of a leathery component than before. It’s a flavorful yet smooth intermingling of spice, pepper and all of the previously noted culminating in a fantastic flavor. While flavors intensify, this cigar remains medium-bodied and mellow.

I would recommend this as an alternative starter cigar for someone who doesn’t like sweet cigars or pepper bombs.


Romeo y Julieta Vintage Cigar Review

By Gary Korb

Country of Origin: Dominican Republic

Size: IV/Churchill (7 x 48)

Strength: Medium

Wrapper: Ecuador Connecticut Shade

Filler: Dominican (aged 3 years)

Binder: Mexican

buy romeo y julieta cigars vintageConstruction and Overall Appearance: Excellent. Wrapper is a bit veiny but entirely even in color. Not one soft spot along its length.

Draw: Excellent.

Pre-light flavor (cold draw): Sweet tobacco, leather.

First few puffs: Ultra-creamy with sweet, graham cracker notes.

Retrohale: Smooth and woody.

Base flavors: Sweet cedar and graham cracker.

Aroma: Sweet.

Burn / Ash Quality: Perfect. Black & grey ash was semi-firm and tapped-off nicely, revealing a perfect cone.

Balance of flavors: Excellent.


Rarely do I taste things like "graham cracker" in the cigars I smoke, but yes folks, this one's got it. Chewy, creamy, medium-bodied smoke prevails with an appealing cedar component, some raw almonds and that cookie-like, graham cracker note. Every puff was perfectly balanced, and despite this cigar's 7-inch length, I still didn't want it to end. If I were to recommend a great "first cigar" for the new cigar smoker, this Romeo Vintage would be at the top of the list for its lightness of being, while offering a good amount of flavor. Since this cigar was free of issues on all counts, I would also add the RyJ Vintage IV to my "Perfect Cigar" list.


Romeo y Julieta Reserve Cigar Review

By John Pullo

Country of Origin: Honduras

Size:  Churchill (7 x 54)

Strength:  Medium (listed Full)

Wrapper: Nicaraguan Habano

Filler: Nicaragua, Honduras

Binder:  Nicaragua

buy romeo y julieta cigars reserveConstruction and Overall Appearance: The Romeo Reserve has a nice Colorado color; it’s slightly veiny, but with an even wrap and texture, easily passes the pinch test.

Draw: Firm.

Pre-light flavor: Wet grass, slight barn, tea, chestnut.

Toasting & Light: Lights easily, with a couple of nice rips of smoke right off the bat.

Base flavors: Most noticeable are elements of nut, dried fruit and earth, along with the tiniest bit of spice.

Retrohale: It’s actually very sweet – floral – some red pepper gets in there a bit later on.

Aroma: Mellow and agreeable.

Burn / Ash Quality: All around, a sharp and even burn. Ash is a bit flaky, but surprisingly holds on well.

Balance of flavors: Fruit peel and tea always seem to be present; coming and going are wood, nut and earth. This is a mild cigar to me…it’s fuller in flavor than it is in body.


Something very interesting about the Reserve that separates it from the other Romeo y Julieta cigars I’ve smoked: a lot of the differences in flavor came when retrohaling this cigar. Sweetness gives way to a floral sensation, then pepper. Not long after, something reminds me of cinnamon, then ginger – it’s like a spice rack. Of course, you can smoke the Romeo Reserve without retrohaling, and you’ll have yourself a nice and straightforward smoking experience, for sure. But you toot a little smoke out your nose, and boy, does that open up some flavors.

A couple of things I noticed: there’s a tanginess, almost fruit peel-ish, that comes in and out all throughout the smoke. I enjoyed that. The smoke is a bit on the thinner side, and not as chewy as some other supposed “medium” cigars give off – but there is a decent amount of it. And towards the end, the flavors cream up and gets toasty around the edges. This is an easy-to-enjoy cigar just about any time of day, and doesn’t demand a lot of your attention to get satisfaction from it – which I’m sure contributes to its high ratings by our customers, at 92. Consider this if mild-medium cigars fall squarely in your wheelhouse, or if you’re new to cigars and want something with a little zip.



Romeo y Julieta Reserva Real Cigar Review

By Fred Lunt

Country of Origin: Dominican Republic

Size:  Churchill (7 x 50)

Strength:  Medium

Wrapper: Ecuadorian Connecticut Shade

Filler: Dominican Republic and Nicaraguan

Binder:  Nicaraguan

Ed. Note: Romeo y Julieta cigars' Reserva Real selection is also available in a Cabinet presentation; each box contains a mazo of 20 cigars, which are without individual cellophane sleeves. slightly different sizes, too.

buy romeo y julieta cigars reserva realConstruction and Overall Appearance: Wrapped in a fairly veiny and very handsome broadleaf wrapper. Classic Romeo y Julieta cigars stylized band.

Draw: Perfect.

Pre-light flavor: Grass, hay, and earth.

Toasting & Light: Very mild, slight sweetness with notes of woods and white pepper.

Base flavors: Wood, white pepper, toast, butter.

Retrohale: Buttery, with loads of white pepper.

Aroma: Didn’t leave a lasting or overly notable impression.

Burn / Ash Quality: Fairly tight white/gray ash. Burn line was flawless, no touch-ups needed.

Balance of flavors: Very well balanced, a nice and simple smoke, great for mornings.

Consistency: Nothing disparaging to note, a great smoke.

General Observations:

Nice and woody, a slightly sweet and fruit-like flavor. Tiny bit of white pepper at the front that quickly dissipated.

Beginning is very mild but flavors gain intensity as it goes along.

Not overly complex, just a smooth smoke. Same flavors intensify a bit more in 2/3. A very buttery note comes in as the sweetness intensifies and a toastiness comes into play.

Toward the close it gets a caramelized sweetness and pepper intensifies; woodiness comes back much more and toastiness is in full swing.


I’ve long been an advocate of quality morning smokes - and with the Reserva Real, Romeo hit the nail on the head. While many cigar smokers fail to put stock in their morning smokes, thinking that they should be cheap, the Reserva Real puts that theory to a dead end. Reserva Real comes with a smooth medium-body; its simple yet flavorful profile is perfect for a morning kick start.

Decked out in a handsome CT Broadleaf wrapper, the pre-light gives way to notes of grass, hay, and earth. Right out of the gate this cigar starts nice and mild with a woody and fruit-like flavor and a bit of white pepper on the tongue. Towards the second third, this cigar really opens up with an amplified sweetness, reminiscent of caramel, and a buttery smoke to boot. The woodiness hangs in the forefront of flavors as well. The retrohale brought out loads of white pepper and a buttery creaminess.

By the last third, Reserva Real remains a medium-bodied smoke but ultimately very toasty, buttery, and sweet with a highly refined peppery aftertaste. This smoke paired perfectly with my morning coffee and the Churchill vitola burned long and cool. In short, this is one fantastic morning smoke with all of the quality you expect from Romeo y Julieta cigars.



ROMEO by Romeo y Julieta Cigars Review

By John Pullo

Country of Origin: Dominican Republic

Size:  Robusto (5x54)

Strength:  Medium-Full

Wrapper: Ecuador Habano

Filler: Dominican Piloto, Dominican Olor

Binder:  Dominican Piloto

buy romeo by romeo y julieta cigarsConstruction and Overall Appearance: Romeo is clad in a silky, rich brown Habano wrapper that’s mostly smooth. Overall, very firmly packed. This is a hefty smoke.

Draw: Firm as well.

Pre-light flavor: Barnyard and dark chocolate.

Toasting & Light: I sense tangy flavors right off the bat; they’re pretty in your face – but the Romeo settles in with some sweetness alongside the base flavors.

Base flavors: Big thick and creamy smoke pouring off with spice and wood notes.

Retrohale: Aroma is mellow and sweet, turning leathery later.

Aroma: Hints of sweet charred wood hang in the air – excellent.

Burn / Ash Quality: Nice sharp and even carbon line, with a tight and nearly-white ash.

Balance of flavors: I didn’t find the Romeo to be radically complex, but diverse enough to keep my attention to the end.

Consistency: Flavor changes were slow and steady.


Big in body and flavors – there’s a lot going on here with this Romeo, and much of it is pepper and dark chocolate. It would seem that this Romeo is designed to be anything but ordinary or average – and that held true for my experience with this first of the “new breed” of Romeo y Julieta cigars. I think my palate picked up a few new flavors with some of these Romeo reviews: in this case, an almond taste settled in at 1/3, and a spice that reminded me of ginger on a sushi plate came along a little later.

I overheard someone recently say about this Romeo: “I forgot how good this was.” And there’s a lot to like…smoky and meaty, at times showing leather and pepper/spice at others. I found the flavor changes to be transitional, very slow and very satisfying. There are, however, a couple spots where the flavor thins out a little – it did that to me about halfway. Otherwise, this Romeo by Romeo made for a nice and rich smoke that had staying power, lasting well over an hour…though it probably could have gone on longer. If you have some cigar experience, like something with a little more body and want to start developing your palate a little, I’d recommend you put this RyJ on your to-do list.


Romeo y Julieta House of Montague Cigar Review

By Gary Korb

Country of Origin: Flor de Copan, Honduras

Size:  Toro (6 x 52)

Strength: Medium

Wrapper: Brazilian Arapiraca

Filler: Nicaraguan, Dominican, and Brazilian

Binder: Dominican Olor

buy romeo y julieta cigars house of montagueConstruction and Overall Appearance: Very good. Wrapper was oily and even in color with some pronounced veins. Found a few soft spots in the first couple of inches of the cigar, but they presented no burn issues. Cap is triple seamed and well made.

Draw: Excellent.

Pre-light flavor (cold draw): Strong leather note; like a saddle, right out of the stable.

First few puffs: Mellow, toasty, nutty, sweet.

Retrohale: Smooth and cedary.

Base flavors: Cedar, light molasses, leather

Aroma: Sweet

Burn / Ash Quality: Very good. Cigar burned evenly with a thin carbon line. Ash was firm with a mix of greys in color. The cigar burned for over 2 hours w/o a relight.

Balance of flavors: Excellent.

Summary: Having not smoked the Romeo y Julieta House of Montague Toro in some time, I was actually quite impressed. The smoke was medium in body with only a few central flavors – cedar, light molasses, and leather. Combined, they offered a mostly sweet and well-balanced smoke, which is just how I like it. This cigar paired beautifully with my morning coffee, but I would add that the Montague Toro would be at home just about any time of day with almost any pairing. Cigar smokers looking for an affordably-priced cigar that's not too complex, straight down the middle, and mostly consistent throughout will find this cigar very satisfying on all counts.


Romeo y Julieta House of Capulet Cigar Review

By John Pullo

Country of Origin: Honduras

Size:  Toro (6x52)

Strength:  Mild-Medium

Wrapper: Ecuador Connecticut

Filler: Honduras, Nicaragua

Binder:  Nicaragua

buy romeo y julieta cigars house of capuletConstruction and Overall Appearance: Finished in a smooth and velvety Ecuador CT, a few veins but no imperfections.

Draw: Minimal resistance – open draw here.

Pre-light flavor: Nut and leather.

Toasting & Light: Smooth and silky flavors from the outset; good smoke volume from the start, too.

Base flavors: Wood, nut and leather.

Retrohale: Woody, layered with some light spice in there.

Aroma: Nut, toast.

Burn / Ash Quality: Near-white ash, not flaky but not tight. Goes for the better part of an inch before it drops – very thin burn line, only moderately wavy.

Balance of flavors: Very even.


A word of warning up front: be careful when removing the band and sleeve from the Romeo Capulet, or you will tear this tasty wrapper. Now, on to the smoke… As with most Connecticuts, the flavors are not heady - they are subtle. If I had to sum it up in two words, I’d say wood and toast – making the Capulet a great contender to go with a cup of coffee. For the old hands around here, this makes for a candidate as a morning go-to. For a nice surprise, there’s a sweet spice to the latter half of the Capulet that’s got cinnamon toast on my mind. It’s got a thick and chewy smoke, and probably won’t bite you back for puffing hard on it.

Bottom line: if you like the mellowness that the core lines of Romeo y Julieta cigars offer, and you like to smoke Romeo every day - this might be one to do it with.


Romeo y Julieta House of Verona Cigar Review

By Gary Korb

Country of Origin: Flor de Copan, Honduras

Size:  Robusto (5 x 54)

Strength: Medium, Medium-Full

Wrapper: Mexican San Andrés

Filler: Dominican, Nicaraguan, Peruvian

Binder: Dominican

buy romeo y julieta cigars house of veronaConstruction and Overall Appearance: Nice looking cigar. Construction is mostly solid; no soft spots. Cigar has nice heft to it. The wrapper had an appealing rosy patina and tight seams, but the triple seam cap was a little uneven.

Draw: Excellent.

Pre-light flavor (cold draw): Woody and spicy.

First few puffs: Cedary, lightly spicy and sweet.

Retrohale: Sharp and spicy.

Base flavors: Cedar, light spice, sweet tobacco.

Aroma: Refined.

Burn / Ash Quality:  Burn was a little "off" at the start, but quickly corrected itself with no issues after that. Ash was almost entirely grey and very firm.

Balance of flavors: Very good.

Summary: The Romeo y Julieta House of Verona Robusto opens with a solid, medium-bodied offering of cedar, spice and sweet tobacco for a very enjoyable and well-balanced first act. As the cigar works its way into the second and third acts the flavors become more pronounced with the spice and sweetness moving into the foreground. Also in the mix was a note of Cuban coffee - strong and black with a good measure of sugar. A good selection for those who want a Romeo with a little more meat on its bones.


Romeo Aging Room by Romeo y Julieta Cigars Review

By Gary Korb

Country of Origin: Dominican Republic

Size:  Capriccio (6 x 54)

Strength: Full

Wrapper/Filler/Binder: 100% Dominican

buy romeo aging room by romeo y julieta cigarsConstruction and Overall Appearance: A solidly built cigar with nice weight. Wrapper is even in color throughout, a little on the rustic side, and has a slight reddish tint with a well-applied triple seam cap.

Draw: Excellent.

Pre-light flavor (cold draw): Strong flavor of nutmeg and sweet tobacco.

First few puffs: Prominent flavors of wood and sweet spice.

Retrohale: Velvety-smooth with an appealing woody note.

Base flavors: Sweet cedar, oak, cinnamon, nutmeg,

Aroma: Seductive.

Burn / Ash Quality: Very good. Not always even at times, but no burn issues. Ash was moderately firm and mostly grey with black stippling.

Balance of flavors: Excellent.

Summary: Very much in-tune with his own Aging Room cigars, Rafael Nodal's work here with Altadis's Grupo de Maestros makes for a full-bodied masterpiece under the Romeo y Julieta cigars imprint. The Capriccio (a short, lively, free-form piece of music - a la Nodal), took-off from the get-go hitting my palate with a flood of sweet wood and spice flavors. The smoke in the early stages was thick, chewy and medium in body. By the middle stage, a fruity note emerged occasionally, but the sweet core flavors prevailed. During the final act, the plot thickens as the smoke takes on an even bolder character. Hints of espresso enter the fray here, too, making for a more complex, and heady experience. I would seriously suggest taking your time with this cigar. It's one sweet and highly refined smoke you don't want to rush.


Romeo 505 Nicaragua Cigar Review

By Fred Lunt

Country of Origin: Nicaragua

Size:  Toro

Strength:  Full

Wrapper: Habano (Jalapa)

Filler: Nicaraguan (Jalapa, Esteli, Condega)

Binder:  Nicaraguan

buy romeo 505 nicaragua by romeo y julieta cigarsConstruction and Overall Appearance: Very rustic looking wrapper, almost like it has a dusting of dark cocoa powder. Offset by the ‘hazard’ orange band, I think I should take this cigar hunting.

Draw: Very easy.

Pre-light flavor: Notes of chocolate, rich tobacco, leather and a slight black pepper.

Toasting & Light: Front loaded with some pepper and leather, a very heavy and cream-like smoke. Very cool aftertaste with a slight peppery tang on the lips, starts with a tingle but turned into an eye-opener just a minute later.

Base flavors: Chocolate, rich tobacco, leather, coffee, and pepper.

Retrohale: Pepper, darky cherry, black coffee.

Aroma: Nothing of note.

Burn / Ash Quality: Burned perfectly, no canoeing or touchups needed and the burn line stayed nice and sharp.

Balance of flavors: While it stayed on the full-bodied side, the balance of flavors was right on keel.

Consistency: This cigar stayed consistent throughout, no harshness or issues with flavor.

General Observations:

After the initial pepper dies down a very sweet cedar-like sweetness comes slowly and a creamy coffee as well. Extremely smooth with a small peppery nip.

Opens up after initial ½ inch to a very tasty and deeply complex smoke with a creamy coffee flavor as well as notes of cedar and leather and bonus nip of pepper on the back of the tongue.

Full-flavored and full bodied. Around middle of the 2/3 a subtle dried fruit element comes in- very slightly. I actually detect a pecan-like nuttiness in the last third in junction with the sweet and peppery flavors.

A few burn issues towards the end but nothing to undermine the caramel-like sweetness.


Let me start by saying I love Nicaraguan tobacco, especially when it’s dark, sweet, and peppery like the 505. The Romeo 505 is Romeo y Julieta’s stab into making an all-Nicaraguan premium, taking its name after Nicaragua’s area code.

The pre-light draw has notes of chocolate, rich tobacco, leather, and a nip of pepper. The 505 is frontloaded and I’m smacked across the face with a gob of black pepper which gradually reveals a cedar-like sweetness and a creamy, coffee-like flavor and texture. The pepper notes have now shifted to the back of the tongue while a bready aftertaste is detected. The second third is where things got interesting. For the first time in a review, I detected a nuttiness that was extremely similar to pecans.

As the last third comes to a close the 505 proved to be fantastic, loads of creamy smoke and sweet and smooth flavors with a peppery Nicaraguan kick. A great smoke for Nicaraguan pepper lovers or anybody who likes a dark and complex smoke. Pair with a dark stout or roasted coffee.


Romeo Añejo by Romeo y Julieta Cigars Review

By John Pullo

Country of Origin: Dominican Republic

Size:  Toro (6x54)

Strength: Medium body, full flavor (listed Full)

Wrapper: Connecticut Broadleaf Maduro

Filler: aged Nicaragua & Honduras sun grown

Binder:  Vintage 2008 Dominican Olor

buy romeo anejo romeo y julieta cigarsConstruction and Overall Appearance: Probably the most refined looking piece of Broadleaf I’ve ever seen. Nice roll, tight seams. Solid packing job.

Draw: For me, spot on.

Pre-light flavor: Strong coffee and earth.

Toasting & Light: Peppery and big earth flavors. Dark chocolate/bitter cocoa/baker’s chocolate all at attention. This cigar lights very easily. Big plumes of smoke from the start, too.

Base flavors: The pepper from the light up trails off; what’s left is some of the earthiness, but more so of the toastiness and cocoa and coffee flavors.

Retrohale: Extra cedary with a very slight floral note.

Aroma: All warm room notes; woody, specifically oak, like a charred barrel.

Burn / Ash Quality: Great burn line, ash is just shy of being solid.

Balance of flavors: The experience is more of a ramp up and ramp down of flavors.

Consistency: The shifts in this cigar are very noticeable from third to third, but the transitions are more subtle than sudden.


The reviews on the Romeo Añejo are very mixed: some in the past have mentioned this Romeo hasn’t done them a whole lot of favors; others think of it as candy. I, however, think this Romeo has had about enough rest where it’s got some significant flavors to show for itself. Previous reviewers have mentioned a sweetness in this cigar, though I didn’t find any at all – anywhere – until the last third. It looks chocolatey, but a Hershey bar it ain’t.

This is a mouthful when it comes to feel and flavors. The initial sensations ramp down by end of first third. Aged wood flavors take over – the kind you have to sip on, if this were a drink. Malt flavors pour in – think kilned and roasted, almost like hops. As it progresses, the Romeo Añejo tastes of roasted nuts and a very oaked sensation. This is a very different cigar after each transition. Berry notes come in toward the last third; they’re somewhat muted, so not overly sweet; they’re mixed with a dried wood sensation, that eventually take over to the finish.

All the components of this smoke are aged, so everything about it – flavor, feel, everything - is thick, velvety and super smooth, even the wrapper. Broadleaf is usually rustic looking. This one, however, is very nice with minimal veins. The Añejo is tightly wrapped, and burns with a slight wave that is likely a function of the thick outer leaf. Again, it wasn’t sweet to me…instead, more along the lines of “refined.” It’s not for knocking around in the garage, that’s for sure.

This would be awesome with wine; skip the pinot noir and go for a seriously beefy glass of red. Make it something with a hard-to-pronounce name, and take it slow and easy.